Office of the Vice President for Global Communications

Friday, September 21, 2012

Coleman part of panel discussion of higher education issues

Can the next U.S. president make public universities more affordable — and can the federal government do anything to support crucial research that takes place in these institutions?

Yes, said UCLA Chancellor Gene Block, U-M President Mary Sue Coleman and Carnegie Corp. President Vartan Gregorian in a panel co-presented by UCLA at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

 
 

President Mary Sue Coleman makes a point to UCLA Chancellor Gene Block during a panel discussion at the National Press Club. (Photo by Mike Waring, Wahington Office)

Watch a video of the panel discussion.

David Leonhardt, Washington Bureau Chief of The New York Times and the program's moderator, opened the conversation by citing Kanye West's album "The College Dropout," which suggests that dropping out of college might be better, financially, than staying in. "Is college worth it?" he asked.

Coleman said that before we can debate whether college is a worthwhile investment, "we need to agree on the data."

She said that, according to the Federal Reserve, close to three-quarters of all students take on debt that's less than $25,000 — and at U-M, for families making less than $80,000, college today is less expensive than it was in 2004. But, she said, universities need to better educate parents and students on how to take on debt and how to manage it, especially when a child is the first in her family to attend college.

Gregorian agreed that the starting point of the conversation is wrong. "We confuse job and career," he said. "We shortchange students when you're defined by the job you hold."

"Is there enough performance-based financing in higher education?" Leonhardt asked. Should aid to students be based more on their performance — and should funding to colleges be based more on student graduation rates?

It's reasonable to expect better graduation rates, Block said. But many of the problems universities have with students not progressing or dropping out is a result of their being underprepared by their K-12 education.

This led into the question of whether the recent push to change STEM education (science, technology, engineering and math) in the K-12 school system has had a positive effect on math and science at the university level.

Coleman said that engineering applications — many of them domestic — are soaring. She believes it's in part a result of a national conversation about a need for engineers and biomedical engineers in the country. But Block said a large number of students still are "not getting the skills they need." Gregorian said that President Obama's challenge to train thousands of more science teachers is working — and he hopes to see it bear fruit soon.

Top universities have made a great deal of progress in many kinds of diversity — but not economic. What, asked Leonhardt, is the reason?

Coleman said it's an issue that has long puzzled U-M. Research a decade ago showed that loans — no matter the size — were scaring families away, so the university has replaced many loans with grants. She thinks families may be so afraid of the financial burden of college that they don't let their children apply.

Block said that UCLA has been helped by the California Master Plan for Higher Education, which results in a large number of transfers from community colleges. Students who have succeeded in community colleges save money and also are more likely to succeed at the university. Grades, he said, are a better indicator than board scores.

"We should not sacrifice diversity for economics," Gregorian said. "We have in many ways nationalized opportunity. We have democratized access." But we haven't figured out how to pay for it, he said.

"The system of affirmative action that we have — is it the right one?" Leonhardt asked. "Or has it become too focused on certain parts of diversity and not in some ways focused on universities as a whole?"

Both Michigan and California have banned affirmative action, but Coleman and Block agreed that diversity is crucial — and that it's frustrating not to have this opportunity to admit more students of different ethnicities.

Socio-economic diversity, said Coleman, is not a good indicator of racial and ethnic diversity. And numbers, Block said, "make a difference." Being the only African-American student in a class can be a difficult experience.

As the conversation came to a close, Leonhardt asked the panel to return to the question of finance: "How do you have hope that society is going to devote the resources that it needs to education, and what do you think that could look like given the fiscal realities?"

Block said the federal government can help by making higher education a higher priority. The private sector, too, should be investing in universities.

"We're going to have to look for industries and companies to help support public higher education," he said, calling for a new partnership among the federal government, private companies, and public universities.

"Private industry has sort of gotten a free ride," Coleman said. The universities provide U.S. companies with great employees and research, and "they need to give back."